Draper Manuscripts
140 J. B. Sanscrainte Jr. taken at Vincennes.
. John Baptiste Sanscrainte was a native of Vincennes ( he was at Vincennes no other information on him says he was a native; Jean Baptiste Sanscrainte (John Soncrant) came from Quebec in 1765
and settled on the north bank of the Huron river(Detroit Area) at present day West Jefferson. He sold this property to Gabriel Godfroy in 1796- Rockwood, The Huron River, Patricia Quick, Rockwood Area Historical Society) this was surely the father ,the son he was out with a party of British Indians ( ( IHB: Hamilton at Vincennes, December 18, 1778, to February 22, 1779 February 1st. [1779] The two Ottawa Chiefs Egushewai & Chamintawa with the Peoria chief came with 10 Warriors, designing to go to the falls of Ohio, & beggd to have Serjeants Robert and Sanscrainte of Captain La Mothe's Company to go with them-- (244))-Kevin Lajiness), & ^Who returned with scalps first after Clark took Vincennes in Feb. 1779-- & all were captured: all were seated on a bench to be shot or tomahawked: Several old French women came into the fort where Sanscraint's father was ^--J. B. Sanscraintes Sen.? & said "your son Baptiste is among the prisoners about to be killed-- try & save him." "I can't help it--if my son has painted ^and dressed himself up like an Indian, & gone to war with them, he must take the consequences with the others." When Clark heard of the affecting circumstance, he went to the aged father, & bade his go & select out his son, & save him; but he still declined--& it was only when the excited French women finally took him by the arms & dragged ^the father to the bench where the condemned party were seated, that he took away his son. It was a deeply affecting ( there are very different accounts of this, i find Draper to have a bias against SansCrainte, a better one is with the Indiana historical society-Kevin Lajiness)
141 J. B. Sanscrainte--trader--death scene-- though father & son were as stoical as Indians, & the father exhibited all the higher traits of the ancient Romans. Young Sanscrainte's face was washed of its paint, & again took his place with the whites--had slit ears J. B. Sanscrainte, the younger, was a very large man. Had this from Sanscrainte himself, & from informan't mother, a native of Vincennes, & there when Clark took the place, & saw the whole affair.{Memo: Very likely the details of this incident are nealy correct, except that it was not Sainscrainte who was thus saved: he probably stated it but not of himself as the one saved: It was a son fo Lieut. St. Croix: see Gen. S. R. Clark's Narrative to Geo. Mason. LCD }(I guess the mother lied too, unlikely and if she was there she would of appealed to Clarke for her sons life-Kevin lajiness) Can tell nothing farther of Sanscrainte's services. He was a great Indian trader--lived at Detroit--was near by when Tippecanoe battle was fought (See Hosmer's Hist. Maumee Valley, p. 24). Took sides with the British & Indians, during the war; when out in the woods, hunting horses,( fur trader hunting horses in Michigan in the woods I Guess ?) & too groggy, on Coldwater river, Michigan, in the fall of 1828, perhaps near 80, lost his life--precisely how, was not known. His body was subsequently found, mangled & partly eaten by wolves or other wild animals--but was recognized by his clothing. He left several children--all now dead.
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(This Guy Draper tries to discredit Sanscrainte he says the younger was not well like by the Pro Americans at the raisin yet we know the father and the son saved many from the Indians with there influence. The father was a interpreter for Clarke ,successful trader, signed the Treaty of Greenville dealt with many dignitaries, distinguished and famous people, fought to save lives and for peace, as a mater of fact most of the Indian Interpreters were from the Detroit- River raisin area and were all related. Would one of the first and famous fur traders be out shooting Horses, doesn't know how he dies but says he's to groggy, Sounds like Draper wants to put his own spin on things or out and out lies) as for the father saying he can't help if the son wants to dress like Indians and fight with them maybe because his mother was born at an Indian village was raised by an Indian Mother and they lived with the Indians at times-Kevin lajiness)
Now in Clark's words
George Rogers Clark Papers, 1771-1781 By George Rogers Clark, James Alton James, Illinois State Historical Library, Trustees
Now the Real story From the Indiana Historical Bureau
IHB: Clark Recaptures Vincennes, February 22 to March 5, 1779
(About two in the afternoon the party of Indians which had gone towards the falls of Ohio returnd, and advancing over the common to the fort, seeing the English flag flying and not knowing that we were attacked, discharged their pieces-- tis usual with them to fire three vollies on their approach to a fort or a town, as a salute, this is practiced also among themselves-- This party was in all but 15 or 16 men, of whom were the two serjeants of Volunteers-- Colol. Clarke being informed of their arrival, sent off 70 men to attack them, who fired on these people unprepared for such a salute, killed one wounded two and made 5 of the rest prisoners taking them to the Village-- On their arrival, they were placed in the street opposite the Fort Gate, where these poor wreches were to be sacrificed--one of them a young Indian about 18 Years of age the son of Pontiach, was saved at the intercession of one Macarty a Captain of Colol. Clarkes Banditti, who said he was formerly owed his life to the Indian's father-- One of the others was tomahawked either by Clarke or one of his Officers, the other three foreseeing their fate, began to sing their Death song, and were butcherd in succession, tho at the very time a flag of Truce was hanging out at the fort and the firing had ceased on both sides-- A young chief of the Ottawa nation called Macutté Mong one of these last, having received the fatal stroke of a Tomahawk in the head, took it out and gave it again into the hands of his executioner who repeated the Stroke a second and third time, after which the miserable being, not entirely deprived of life was dragged to the river, and thrown in with the rope about his neck where he ended his life and tortures--This horrid scene was transacted in the open Street, and before the door of a house where I afterward was quarterd, the master of which related to me the above particulars-- The Blood of the victims was still visible for days afterwards, a testimony of the courage and Humanity of Colonel Clarke-- When the prisoners were brought in, Bosseron the Villain already mentioned, levelld his piece at Serjeant Sanscrainte, whose father (who had come with Clarke from the Ilinois) at that instant stepping up raised the muzzle and obtained his son's life by applying to Colol. Clarke--)
140 J. B. Sanscrainte Jr. taken at Vincennes.
. John Baptiste Sanscrainte was a native of Vincennes ( he was at Vincennes no other information on him says he was a native; Jean Baptiste Sanscrainte (John Soncrant) came from Quebec in 1765
and settled on the north bank of the Huron river(Detroit Area) at present day West Jefferson. He sold this property to Gabriel Godfroy in 1796- Rockwood, The Huron River, Patricia Quick, Rockwood Area Historical Society) this was surely the father ,the son he was out with a party of British Indians ( ( IHB: Hamilton at Vincennes, December 18, 1778, to February 22, 1779 February 1st. [1779] The two Ottawa Chiefs Egushewai & Chamintawa with the Peoria chief came with 10 Warriors, designing to go to the falls of Ohio, & beggd to have Serjeants Robert and Sanscrainte of Captain La Mothe's Company to go with them-- (244))-Kevin Lajiness), & ^Who returned with scalps first after Clark took Vincennes in Feb. 1779-- & all were captured: all were seated on a bench to be shot or tomahawked: Several old French women came into the fort where Sanscraint's father was ^--J. B. Sanscraintes Sen.? & said "your son Baptiste is among the prisoners about to be killed-- try & save him." "I can't help it--if my son has painted ^and dressed himself up like an Indian, & gone to war with them, he must take the consequences with the others." When Clark heard of the affecting circumstance, he went to the aged father, & bade his go & select out his son, & save him; but he still declined--& it was only when the excited French women finally took him by the arms & dragged ^the father to the bench where the condemned party were seated, that he took away his son. It was a deeply affecting ( there are very different accounts of this, i find Draper to have a bias against SansCrainte, a better one is with the Indiana historical society-Kevin Lajiness)
141 J. B. Sanscrainte--trader--death scene-- though father & son were as stoical as Indians, & the father exhibited all the higher traits of the ancient Romans. Young Sanscrainte's face was washed of its paint, & again took his place with the whites--had slit ears J. B. Sanscrainte, the younger, was a very large man. Had this from Sanscrainte himself, & from informan't mother, a native of Vincennes, & there when Clark took the place, & saw the whole affair.{Memo: Very likely the details of this incident are nealy correct, except that it was not Sainscrainte who was thus saved: he probably stated it but not of himself as the one saved: It was a son fo Lieut. St. Croix: see Gen. S. R. Clark's Narrative to Geo. Mason. LCD }(I guess the mother lied too, unlikely and if she was there she would of appealed to Clarke for her sons life-Kevin lajiness) Can tell nothing farther of Sanscrainte's services. He was a great Indian trader--lived at Detroit--was near by when Tippecanoe battle was fought (See Hosmer's Hist. Maumee Valley, p. 24). Took sides with the British & Indians, during the war; when out in the woods, hunting horses,( fur trader hunting horses in Michigan in the woods I Guess ?) & too groggy, on Coldwater river, Michigan, in the fall of 1828, perhaps near 80, lost his life--precisely how, was not known. His body was subsequently found, mangled & partly eaten by wolves or other wild animals--but was recognized by his clothing. He left several children--all now dead.
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(This Guy Draper tries to discredit Sanscrainte he says the younger was not well like by the Pro Americans at the raisin yet we know the father and the son saved many from the Indians with there influence. The father was a interpreter for Clarke ,successful trader, signed the Treaty of Greenville dealt with many dignitaries, distinguished and famous people, fought to save lives and for peace, as a mater of fact most of the Indian Interpreters were from the Detroit- River raisin area and were all related. Would one of the first and famous fur traders be out shooting Horses, doesn't know how he dies but says he's to groggy, Sounds like Draper wants to put his own spin on things or out and out lies) as for the father saying he can't help if the son wants to dress like Indians and fight with them maybe because his mother was born at an Indian village was raised by an Indian Mother and they lived with the Indians at times-Kevin lajiness)
Now in Clark's words
George Rogers Clark Papers, 1771-1781 By George Rogers Clark, James Alton James, Illinois State Historical Library, Trustees
Now the Real story From the Indiana Historical Bureau
IHB: Clark Recaptures Vincennes, February 22 to March 5, 1779
(About two in the afternoon the party of Indians which had gone towards the falls of Ohio returnd, and advancing over the common to the fort, seeing the English flag flying and not knowing that we were attacked, discharged their pieces-- tis usual with them to fire three vollies on their approach to a fort or a town, as a salute, this is practiced also among themselves-- This party was in all but 15 or 16 men, of whom were the two serjeants of Volunteers-- Colol. Clarke being informed of their arrival, sent off 70 men to attack them, who fired on these people unprepared for such a salute, killed one wounded two and made 5 of the rest prisoners taking them to the Village-- On their arrival, they were placed in the street opposite the Fort Gate, where these poor wreches were to be sacrificed--one of them a young Indian about 18 Years of age the son of Pontiach, was saved at the intercession of one Macarty a Captain of Colol. Clarkes Banditti, who said he was formerly owed his life to the Indian's father-- One of the others was tomahawked either by Clarke or one of his Officers, the other three foreseeing their fate, began to sing their Death song, and were butcherd in succession, tho at the very time a flag of Truce was hanging out at the fort and the firing had ceased on both sides-- A young chief of the Ottawa nation called Macutté Mong one of these last, having received the fatal stroke of a Tomahawk in the head, took it out and gave it again into the hands of his executioner who repeated the Stroke a second and third time, after which the miserable being, not entirely deprived of life was dragged to the river, and thrown in with the rope about his neck where he ended his life and tortures--This horrid scene was transacted in the open Street, and before the door of a house where I afterward was quarterd, the master of which related to me the above particulars-- The Blood of the victims was still visible for days afterwards, a testimony of the courage and Humanity of Colonel Clarke-- When the prisoners were brought in, Bosseron the Villain already mentioned, levelld his piece at Serjeant Sanscrainte, whose father (who had come with Clarke from the Ilinois) at that instant stepping up raised the muzzle and obtained his son's life by applying to Colol. Clarke--)
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